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Paraic Duffy: ‘The Government will have to pick up the tab’

The GAA Director-General believes that it will fall to the Government to finance the upgrading of stadia if the IRFU 2023 Rugby World Cup bid is successful.

Could the Irish rugby team play in Croke Park?
Could the Irish rugby team play in Croke Park?
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GAA DIRECTOR-GENERAL Padraic Duffy believes that it will fall to the Government to finance the upgrading of stadia if a potential IRFU bid to host the 2023 Rugby World Cup is successful.

The IRFU are currently undertaking a feasibility study into the possibility of bidding to host the event.

But a critical factor will be whether the GAA’s Congress in March will support the use of their stadia for the competition.

A Central Council meeting last August agreed to place a motion on the Congress agenda which is seeking to amend a GAA rule that would permit six GAA grounds to be used by the IRFU in a bid for the 2023 Rugby World Cup.

The GAA Director-General, speaking yesterday on ‘Saturday Sport’ on RTÉ Radio 1, lent the weight of his support to a prospective bid for the prestigious event.

But with some GAA stadia requiring redevelopment to bring them up to the necessary standards to host games in the competition, Duffy insisted it would be up to the Government ‘to pick up the tab’ in that instance.

“I think if the Government wants to bring this to Ireland, they have to realize this is not a money-making enterprise for either the IRFU or the GAA. The Government will have to pick up the tab essentially.

“If the RWC is to start in 2023, we simply don’t have the resources to bring those stadia to the level that the Rugby World Cup organizers would expect. But I think that everyone understands that.

“We’ve already committed ourselves to major redevelopment of Casement Park and the redevelopment of Pairc Ui Chaoimh will hopefully start over the next few years. We’ll be expected to contribute to that at central level and I think that we should.”

“The IRFU have approached the GAA in a very professional way and have said they need the support of the GAA because they don’t have the grounds themselves.

“No decision has been made on the grounds. But Croke Park would be an obvious one and the newly developed Casement Park. Hopefully Pairc Ui Chaoimh will be re-developed in the next few years and that would be an obvious one as well.

“After that there is a list of possibilities. That’s for the IRFU to decide.”

Paraic Duffy 10/12/2012

GAA Director-General Paraic Duffy. Pic: INPHO/Ryan Byrne

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Duffy is hopeful that the GAA’s Congress in April will throw their weight behind the project and rejected arguments that the GAA should not be helping opposition sports.

“I would hope that they (Congress) will give permission. The same arguments were made when Lansdowne Road was closed for redevelopment, that we shouldn’t let rugby and soccer into Croke Park. That was the right thing to do and the GAA did it.

“In the case of the Rugby World Cup, it would have a huge economic benefit for the country. I wouldn’t be happy if as an organization, we said no. What does that say about the GAA and our place in modern Ireland?

“I do accept that there will be a promotional value for the IRFU but there’ll also be a benefit for us. I would hope our grounds would be developed to a standard that we couldn’t otherwise do ourselves.

“But more importantly it would show the GAA is a mature organization that makes decisions not only for the benefit of ourselves but for the country generally.”

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Comments (39 Comments)

  • Eamonn 06/01/13 #

    Can’t imagine too much upgrading being required, some of the stadia used in New Zealand had grassy hills in use.

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    • Niall 06/01/13 #

      I imagine the potential audience base for matches is higher in Ireland given Europe on the doorstep coupled with Ryanair, hence the desire to get it right from the get go :) New Zealand is relatively isolated, geographically, due to the expense in getting there. I hope the GAA back this.

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  • Typical begrudgery and ill-informed commentary.

    The Rugby World cup “cost” the NZ government $40m, mainly in stadium redevelopment..a stimulus if you like, as it employed many people.

    However the actual tournament brought in 100s of millions in tourist revenue. This was over and above what would have come otherwise. NZ is an economy similar in size of Ireland and it’s fair to say that Ireland hosting the RWC will be positive. The effect on the NZ economy improved the GDP that year so any costs will be recouped in tourist revenue…

    I have enclosed a link for those who remain doubtful

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10785588

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    • Won’t argue with that Ciaran as I haven’t read up on it.

      I will say this though, it was a wasted opportunity for the kiwis. I know some ardent Irish, Kiwi and Aussie rugby fans here in Brisbane who didn’t bother going as hotels, flights and tickets were extortionately priced. They only catered for the rich and their tourism will not benefit in the long run as much as it could have

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    • My recollection of the event may have dimmed with the passing of time – but I don’t recall it being overly expensive.

      As always there were a few shortsighted hoteliers who gouged the price and they were by and large the exception and were empty. The British media made a big deal about prices before the games, but was a red herring.

      I went to 3 games one of which i paid $50. The bigger games and the later rounds were expensive, but were comparable to the price at any international sporting event and anyone expecting pay bottom dollar for a quarter or semi final ticket were disappointed.

      Certainly the prices in the local bars did not increase during the event and the prices at the fan zone were very reasonable.

      There may or may not be long run benefits from this – but it is impossible to measure this, so not worth conjecture.

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  • Make sense when you think about it. There would be a long term gain from the initial investment. This seems like a classic win-win situation.

    The World Cup in 2023 would be a huge boost to the economy while it was on. It would have a longer term boost for tourism by the fact that Ireland would be the focus of the sporting world for the best part of a month. The redevelopment of the stadia would generate jobs in the construction industry in the run-up to the event. Both organisations would benefit from having better stadia in the aftermath.

    A proper study needs to be carried out to see what level of investment would be required and to make sure that costs didn’t spiral out of control but this is Ireland’s best chance ever of hosting a world-level sporting event and I think it should be pursued.

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  • Save Marina park you are correct too an extent the most famous example being the Montreal olympics who only finished paying off the debt a year or 2 ago and I would agree that if Ireland was trying to host a Euro football championship the cost to get the grounds up to scratch would be incredible however the IRB rules are a bit more relaxed and I dont think the costs will be great .
    Aviva is ready
    Ravenhill is to be developed regardless of WC bid
    Thomond is ready – could have the ends extended
    RDS is to get a new stand regardless of WC bid.
    Gaa stadia
    Croke is ready
    Casement will be ready
    Pairc ui chaoimh -touchy subject for yourself but will be redeveloped with or without the training pitch
    That just leaves the government needing to upgrade the likes of Pearse in Galway, fitzgerald in Killarney and the gaelic grounds in Limerick. The gaelic grounds has already had quite a bit of work done recently so the bulk of the work will be done at the other 2 grounds. As mentioned earlier these venues dont need to be Aviva standard the new Ravenhill will cost 18million pounds so any upgrades even in this current financial crisis wont be too much

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  • I think that the GAA should be reminded of the 80 million that the tax payer has already put in to crokey park

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    • Strange how this 80 million is always brought up to attack the GAA but nobody remembers the 200 million given to redevelop Landsdowne Road (sorry, the Aviva Stafium)!

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    • Hey ronan at least the gaa built their stadium correctly with less than half the handout the jocks and fai got and didn’t have to sell off the naming rights either (to an insurance company that’s not even really in Ireland anymore) so cop on

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    • Ronan, I think you should be reminded of the huge benefits the GAA has brought to this country over the years. As an organisation it’s not perfect by any means but you’re just taking a cheap shot. I’m sure they will back this bid and good on them if they do.

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    • Ooooh Ronan you can’t win this one

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    • But Ronán you’re forgetting about Rule 5.1(b) (formerly Rule 42) of the Gaelic Athletic Association Official Guide (Part I) which states:
      Grounds controlled by Association units shall not be used or permitted to be used, for Horse Racing, Greyhound Racing, or for Field Games others than those sanctioned by Central Council.
      (Note: Central Council shall have the power to authorise the use of Croke Park for games other than those controlled by the Association.).

      Translated this means the GAA, thanks to their good friends in Fianna Fáil who handed over millions of taxpayers’ money to them to build Croke Park on a wink and a nod, can maintain a ‘principled’ objection to all ‘foreign’ sports unless, of course, the price is right!

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    • Barry,

      Sounds like good business sense to me. Very well run organisation

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    • Ah yes the old 80 million, much of which was refunded through VAT on products used during construction and the income tax of hundreds of workers on the stadium. Of course lets also forget the benefits to the economy on match days and all year round through concerts and conferences and the continued employment given by the stadium all year round thus creating more tax income. The GAA like it or not was the only sporting body to get the finger out and develop its main stadium for the benefit of itself and the economy when others were satisfied to sit in rubble and squalor and wait for a Government to make a decision for them. If you wish to bash the GAA find a better argument than this

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    • I don’t blame the Grab All Association (GAA), I blame the people for electing their Fianna Fáil friends who casually handed over millions of taxpayers’ money to an amateur organisation without so much as a stipulation in writing that Croke Park would be opened up to other sports. Indeed, but for the avarice of the Grab All Association, who made an absolute fortune from the IRFU and FAI, the archaic ‘Easter 1916’ Rule 42 might never have been changed. Incidentally, I do not accept you can seek to deflect attention away from the indisputable fact that the GAA received a massive unconditional handout from the taxpayer by making reference to the sheer ineptitude of the FAI.

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    • Barry,

      Would it be standard procedure to have a clause written into all Government sporting grants that require any upgraded facilities to be openly used by all sporting organisations within the country?

      Like the ?300,000 given to a private tennis club in South Dublin a couple of months back… Can I play 5-a-side on their new courts?

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    • @ If the tennis club received a public grant, then it should be open to members of the public to play tennis. Otherwise, the State is subsiding private enterprise.

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    • Barry,

      There was ?26m given out in government grants a couple of months back, to 100′s of various sporting organisations.

      By your logic, from previous posts, all those clubs should open up their doors to other sporting codes, ie tennis clubs to 5 a side soccer, badminton courts to volleyball teams, a basketball court to indoor soccer…. Or should those terms only apply to the ‘Grab All Association’ as you so maturely referred to it.

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    • Chris K 06/01/13 #

      Exactly Robert just childish (jealous?) remarks from Barry

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  • croke park is a 3 sided stadium
    Lansdowne road is a 3 sided stadium.

    only in Ireland!

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  • “A longstanding myth surrounding the hosting of major sporting events from the World Cup to the Olympic Games, is that they make good economic sense. “The event will pay for itself,” we are told.

    While the sporting association running these events do very well financially, the host country is almost never financially better off.”

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2013/0103/business/sporting-events-pay-for-themselves-in-happiness-not-money-218440.html

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  • “I wouldn’t be happy if as an organization, we said no.”

    Of course not. You want the taxpayer to pay for upgrades and to make a bundle out of renting the stadiums.

    Rule 42 is an absolute joke. Community focused my arse.

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  • why should the gaa have gotten 80 million in thr first place? it’s an amateur organization who don’t dish out their vast wealth to the players!

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    • Have you seen the standard of facilities the GAA has up and down the country? Thats where the money goes. Some very ignorant comments in here.

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    • SMcB 06/01/13 #

      Eh.. the IRFU / FAI received c€191 mil to build Lansdowne Road!!!

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    • The members of the GAA are Tax Payers themselves … so they can argue for the money to go to their organistion.
      Also such a rubbish point you make about amateur status. Surely it’s a good thing that the money is not just used to pay salaries of players, but instead put into world class facilities.
      Also I say this as a football/soccer fan .. not a GAA follower.

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  • Some neck ya got on ya there padraig, nice try,

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  • “A longstanding myth surrounding the hosting of major sporting events from the World Cup to the Olympic Games, is that they make good economic sense. “The event will pay for itself,” we are told.

    While the sporting association running these events do very well financially, the host country is almost never financially better off.”

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