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London 2012: China’s Ye hits back at doping claims

The Chinese prodigy has insisted she won fairly after concerns were raised about her incredible performance.

China's Ye Shiwen gestures after competing in a women's 200-meter individual medley swimming semifinal at the Aquatics Centre.
China's Ye Shiwen gestures after competing in a women's 200-meter individual medley swimming semifinal at the Aquatics Centre.

SIXTEEN-YEAR-OLD Chinese swimming prodigy Ye Shiwen categorically denied doping on Monday after British media raised suspicions about her world record-breaking start to the London Olympics.

Ye shattered Stephanie Rice’s mark in the women’s 400m individual medley by more than a second, including an astonishing final lap which was faster than US winner Ryan Lochte and Michael Phelps in the men’s competition.

“Insane,” commented Rice. “I mean I didn’t see it, I was way over and behind, so I didn’t really see her coming home, but that split coming home was out of control.”

With the swim, Ye took nearly seven seconds off her time at last year’s world championships. And in Monday’s 200m medley semi-final, she clocked 2min 8.39sec — the quickest in the world this year.

But the Zhejiang youngster, who announced herself on the global stage with the 200m medley world title last year, said there was nothing untoward.

“There is no problem with doping, the Chinese team has a firm policy so there is no problem with that,” she said.

Ye was put on the spot after leading British media pounced on her performances, pointing to China’s record of state-sponsored doping in the 1980s and 1990s.

“Ye’s amazing time for freestyle leg scarcely credible,” read a headline in The Times, which noted that the youngster was a former team-mate of Chinese swimmer Li Zhesi, who was barred from the Olympics over blood-booster EPO.

“Chinese swimming has such a shameful history of doping that any remarkable achievement by one of its athletes is inevitably met with cynicism,” remarked the Daily Telegraph.

“A whiff of turtle blood in the water,” added the mass-market Daily Mail, referring to the infamous supplements given to China’s drug-tainted athletes in the 1990s.

Ye’s competitors largely steered clear of the controversy. “I have no idea, I mean I wouldn’t want to get into that at all, but a 58sec (final 100m) is an insanely fast swim,” said Rice.

Zimbabwe’s Kirsty Coventry, second-quickest in the morning 200m medley heats — but still more than one-and-a-half seconds behind Ye — said Ye was the product of years of investment and training by China’s team.

“In the lead-up to Beijing (Olympics) everyone thought they were going to be great, and I think they were good but I think it’s now you’re really starting to feel the effects with everything they’ve done leading up to 2008,” Coventry said.

Britain’s Mark Foster said it was not unheard of for growing teenage swimmers to make huge improvements in a short space of time.

And Arne Ljungqvist, medical commission chief for the International Olympic Committee, called the speculation “sad.”

“For me, it is very sad that an unexpected performance is surrounded by suspicions,” he told a briefing.

“I mean to raise suspicion immediately when you see an extraordinary performance — to me it is against the fascination of sport.

“To suspect someone for having done something because he performed extraordinarily is a bit sad for Olympic sport.”

China, who only won one swimming gold at Beijing 2008, took two on the first two days in London through Ye and men’s 400m freestyle winner Sun Yang.

(c) AFP, 2012

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Comments (61 Comments)

  • Michelle Smith was banned in 1998 for doping.
    She wasn’t caught in 1996 despite the entire international swimming community calling her a cheat.

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    • Jingles 31/07/12 #

      You’d know all about that Ted.
      Its sad to cheat really. Your whole career gets tainted and questioned. Although from their point of view IF some Chinese(or other authoritarian country’s) athletes are told to take some “supplement” it would hard to decline after a life of dedication towards this goal. If they don’t toe the party line Im sure there is athlete B would be willing to take the glory.

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  • this is hard to believe. In athletics, cycling, swimming n other sports men are strongr and faster at elite level cos of natural testosterone. This is a fact. I don’t believe the youth policy factor either. Even if Ye was picked out at 7 yrs she has had 9 yrs of hard training. This is no more than Phelps n Lochte have had and yet she can swim a faster interval. It’s tough to take. Sonia came fourth behind 3 Chinese athletes who came out of nowhere n disappeared into oblivion. Unjust n unfair is my opinion

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  • bob 31/07/12 #

    quack quack quack,its a duck!!

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  • She could always become a barrister when she’s caught…..

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  • O Ye of little faith …

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  • Ask Michelle Smith how it’s done, she managed to pass every drugs test

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    • MS was never done for doping.

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    • That’s what I said, she was only banned when they found traces of urine in her whiskey sample

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    • She received a doping ban which ended her career. Same thing if you refuse to take a breathalyser test for drinnk driving. This makes you guilty of drink driving.

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    • limofax 31/07/12 #

      She tested positive for Androstenedione.

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    • was hilarious listening to the lads talkin about it on the tv last night and no body mentioning the elephant in the room from Atlanta 96… her times and progress were off the chart but i suppose she wasnt caught a the actual Olympics so that makes it okay. message always seems to be dont get caught. massive shame for anyone who does produce a jaw dropping performance legally because we not automatically think they have been doping. some of the magic has gone with all the cynicsm

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    • was hilarious listening to the lads talkin about it on the tv last night and no body mentioning the elephant in the room from Atlanta 96… her times and progress were off the chart but i suppose she wasnt caught a the actual Olympics so that makes it okay. message always seems to be dont get caught. massive shame for anyone who does produce a jaw dropping performance legally because we automatically think they have been doping. some of the magic has gone with all the cynicsm

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  • bob 31/07/12 #

    this girl swam the last 50 metres faster than some of the men in last 50 of same. that’s all I’m saying.

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  • Did the China find a way of masking her piss or a new drug that no one can find in her system? Them folks in china can be smart at times

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  • China is now like sportsmen factory and they won’t stop unless they dominate every discipline like they dominate worlds economy. Don’t want to sound bad, but with selection of people they have, money and and technology and born dedication to the country (brainwashed from day 1 through all school and adult life) as the country and their communist party being highest goal and fulfilment in their life – being best it’s not that difficult to achieve.

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    • She was plucked from her school at 7 for her physical attributes nd taken into a state medal generating school. That whole concept is worse than doping in my opinion. Sport being used as some sort of government pr.

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    • Irish: yep that’s how they do it, the other Chinese girl who won 10 metre shooting I read she was in training before Olympics in deserted training camp no phone calls no family no friends no life just shooting 10 hours a day and doing some weird stuff in the rest of her time. Normal people cannot simply be that good as these artificial drones.

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  • Typical from some sections of the media in Britain. Anyone being better than them has to be on something.

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    • I think the American media have been worse – and yet play it as if they’ve never had their own doping Athletes. Remember Marion Jones?

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    • I think the media are right to question it. From what I gather (from my armchair) five seconds is a huge amount to take off your PB. Let alone the fact that she’s so young or that she swam faster than some men in the same competition. It doesn’t matter if you’re Chinese, Irish, American or British, if anyone improves their personal best by so much it’s cause for suspicion and as history has shown, doping is usually to blame. If she’s not taken anything she’s got nothing to worry about. What is worrying is how she’s been living in an Olympic training camp since she was seven, and the regimented answers she gives to the media…

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    • Mmmm I can remember a couple of Chinese runners blowing Sonia away a few years ago and then disappear from the face of the earth, I’d say our neighbours may have a point.

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  • If there’s a will theres a way to beat any drug test especially when your country has the same machine

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  • Definitely a little bit suspect!!

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  • The Olympic committee have said that all medals winners will be tested. Think this is just sour grapes on the part of the British media. They have been painful to listen to at times

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    • American coaches and the international media are questioning this. It’s her last 100m that makes no sense. Why is she not contesting the freestyle events?

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    • So because she swam faster than Phelps (who’s not really swimming all that well) and lochte, she must be cheating…..Gsk are using state of the art technology for testing for drugs and I would be shocked if anything gets passed them.

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    • Come on Áine, do you not smell a rat. She beat the World Record by a full second and her previous personal best by 5 seconds. It’s so dodgy looking.

      On a side note – the Chinese swimmers did better on Day 1 of this Olympics than they did in total in 2008. They have a long history of doping their swimmers. I don’t trust them.

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    • But if you were doping, would you be so obvious about it????

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    • Obvious – what do you mean?
      These are the Olympic games.
      It has always been the case that an incredible improvement in times over short intervals has ALWAYS been drug induced. This will be proven at some point I am hoping.

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    • mcbab 31/07/12 #

      Here’s a suggestion Ainie. Don’t listen to BBC if it annoys you. Listen to RTE. now that wasn’t too difficult to work out was it?

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  • oops when Phelps won 8 gold medals in beijing 4 years ago he had to compete several matches in a row even in one day and why didnt you question his super stamina for his offset fatigue man? is that only because you bet he must have a super big stomach for all those beef and pasta he had ?

    Only the last 50 meter freestyle then BBC and the american couch cud come to this conclusion , dats ridiculous..Ye is best in her free style for her medley so no surprise by any chance she cud win by somehow only in that split , which is in her best form breaking the world record, and for Lochet, was a fair play for his gold medal but not even reaching he best performance yet.

    Evev if she is dosing drugs, she should have bursted out even during the first few splits during the match, how come she wait until the last splits?! is that drug only working for freestyle swimming?! As I mentioned Ye is best in her freestyle for medley, you cud tell in her performance in her semifinal yesterday also, being second or third in the first three and then catching up in her freestyle, judging on her freestyle is totally ridiculous…its the same like when your rowing, you can make sure in every single 50 meters you can be faster than a lady, nobody cud garrantee that!

    Leave your suspicion to the time, after all the drug tests, everything is clear. Dont judge a athlete’s effort without having any solid proof, thats totally disgraceful and not respectable at all for their years of training and the honor they got by their effort, think it in this way, if you won the champion in your contests by best performance then you are accused by others saying you are dosing drugs , what will you think? What’s more, Ye is already a world champion in 200 medlay in 2011 Shanghai International Swimming tournament, and after that she went to Austrilia for the training for her stamina and explosive force.So show some respect and stop being silly.

    Then it comes to BBC, It’s totally a narrow-minded and demining reaction of accusing an athlete of dosing drugs immediately after she won the games.The North Korea weight lifting althelet succussfully lifted up a weight more than three weights of his totally body weight and his score is about 27kg more than his best record ever so he won the gold from the Chinese, none of the Chinese jounalists accused him of dosing drugs, they just discribe this as a miracal and incredible improvement.This is a what you should do to respect every althelete’s accheivement before they prove guilty!!

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  • We could just let everyone do drugs and then we will see who is the fastest

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  • My God the nastiness of people on here towards the young girl, ye are all as bad as the people who accused her. Seriously ye have NO PROOF but ye are hanging her out to dry cos ‘it couldn’t be possible normally’. Why the hell not. Do we not want to see people improve, smash world records etc, or do ye want to see everyone swim the same for eternity. Or is it that she is not an athlete from your country? If she was Irish and they suggested she had been doping would you be so quick to vilify her, or would you be defending her to the hilt? Also why the hell can she not be faster than an man, just because she is a woman. That pisses me royally off. FFS in this day and age sexism is still alive and well, and next to racism by the sounds of some of ye going on. Yes the Chinese do things differently to Ireland, and it produces winners. What do you think Ireland will have to show at the end of the games? Perhaps some boxing medals (and now no disrespect meant to the boxers here – although it may end up sounding like it) which shows that we are a nation of fighters and that is it! Seriously let the youngster be. IF she has taken something she shouldn’t let it come out in the tests and THEN say your piece, but innocent until proven guilty.

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  • She’s innocent until she’s proven guilty. These cries of “She’s guilty because she’s Chinese” are racist and very unsettling.

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    • Scarr 31/07/12 #

      Well it’s still early but this is a contender for the most hand- wringing, taking offence for the sake of it, comment of the day. Congrats. China has a history of doping. Ye smashed the record and swam close or better than Lochte. Yep all sounds fine. Good thing we have you to spot the racism.

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    • @ Paul Carr

      China has a shameful history of systematic doping in swimming. Playing the race card like you have here is pretty shameful of you and cheapens the word.

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    • Padraic: I was replying to other commenters who were playing the race card. I was calling them out.

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  • Michelle’s innocent… It was her full length suit, not the gear…. ;)

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  • Hear ye, hear ye.

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  • American swims fast all we hear is chants of USA, USA. someone else does it all we hear is claims of doping. Double standards and two faced hypocrites. What about Flo Jo and Carl Lewis? (Ok neither swimmers)

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    • ….and Marion jones!

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    • It’s not the foreigner swimming faster than the USA that’s the problem, you’re conveniently ignoring that he said he had no problem with the other Chinese winners as they have been on a normal steady improvement curve. The problem here is she swam a final leg quicker than the fastest men in the world, she took seconds off her pb and annihilated the world record. That is not natural. She will probably test clean. The testing bodies are always a couple of years behind which is why they keep samples for 8 years.

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    • I am not saying she is clean, just pointing out the blatant hypocritical stance of the Americans.

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    • You’re not actually pointing out any hypocrisy. Which American has won by such an eyebrow raising margin? What you’re saying is just inane rubbish…

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    • Flo jo for example set the world records for 100 meters an 200 meters in 1988. Both still stand. An amazing achievement. She improved her personal best by nearly half a second, in the 100 meters, in less than 1 year. If she was Chinese the Americans would be howling from the rooftops. And it a fact that Carl Lewis failed drugs tests and it was hushed up. Therefore I feel I am justified in calling them Hypocrites.

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  • Kal 31/07/12 #

    Records are meant to be broken, so she did and now bitter people are questioning her!!! Come now

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  • Relatedly, we should focus on what the Chinese do RIGHT in Olympic sports. They invest in them. That’s in contrast to us. We invest in the GAA, quare and quaint sports which no one outside of Ireland have hardly heard of. Speaking with suspicion of alleged brutal Chinese training techniques and alleged doping criminality smacks of sour grapes.

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    • yeah the bloody cheeck of investing in our national sports and most popular games…bloody ridiculous I say.

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    • The most popular team sport in the Republic of Ireland is soccer in terms of the level of participation.

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    • Ok Paul, I’ll take your word on that, I don’t know the exact stats, but ill guess it relatively close in participation numbers. What difference does it make once kids are active?
      I would rather money be invested in our national sport rather than money being thrown away trying, in vain, to compete with China in the Olympics

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    • So why has the Republic of Ireland historically done poorly in terms of medals won in the Olympics? Is it because 1) We’re not a totalitarian state? 2) We don’t invest enough in Olympic sports? 3) The weather. 4) Something else.

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  • The argument that one of the commenters is making that China’s Olympic achievements is government PR is unreal.

    Perhaps we should pull out our Olympic team on the grounds that it is a PR stunt? Perhaps Sean Quinn, his GAA pals, and Sinn Fein and Fianna Fail supporters should organize a rally in Dublin calling on the withdrawal of our team from the Olympics on the grounds that is a PR stunt?

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    • What is so unusual about that. The Olympics has always been used as an ideological battleground. State sponsored doping schemes have been used during the cold war, even to the extent of using men to compete in women’s events. It’s symptomatic of a paranoid, totalitarian state trying to prove to the rest of the world that their system and their people are superior. China has a history in this. In Ireland we participate because it’s fun and we like it.

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    • Yes, China is a totalitarian state as opposed to our free state where thousands rally in support of a man, Sean Quinn, who openly admits to putting money beyond the reach of the Irish taxpayer. Yes, of course, we are not oppressed by totalitarianism. Stupidity perhaps?

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