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‘Our aim is not Germany, our aim is Sweden and Austria’ declares Trapattoni

“Every player loses many, many games,” trumpeted the Irish manager.

Giovanni Trapattoni does not want to linger on Ireland's record defeat.
Giovanni Trapattoni does not want to linger on Ireland's record defeat.
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IN THAT INIMITABLE manner of his, Giovanni Trapattoni once explained the difference between the result and the performance — ‘the show’, as he termed it.

For him, football is always about the bottom line, the final score which decides the points and goes into the record books. Outside of that, if you want to be entertained, go to the opera.

It was a line used to defend himself from criticism when Ireland were grinding out some success with conservative tactics and a style derided as dull and uninspiring. Now in his darkest hour as Republic of Ireland manager, this differentiation between the result and the show is where Trapattoni seeks shelter from the storm.

And make no mistake about it, the Italian senses that a storm is coming; that is, if it has not already been and gone, leaving a trail of destruction in its wake.

To those who were in the Aviva Stadium last night, the German whirlwind which tore Ireland asunder was majestic and terrifying in equal measure. But speaking in Malahide today, Trapattoni was insistent that one nightmare match against world-class opposition could not define an entire campaign.

“Obviously our performance was inferior, and Germany were clearly superior to us technically… all of their players play in the Champions League — Bayern, Dortmund.” He added:

Our aim is not Germany. Our aim is Sweden and Austria and the next game against the Faroes.

“We can accept defeat against Germany. Realistically, we were never going to compete against Germany for first place in the pool. Our aim is to compete against Sweden and Austria.”

He added: “When there is one inferior [team], it is not possible to get angry because you have to recognise their superiority.

“We were inferior in strength, we were inferior in midfield. They were superior with the pass, technically.

“I couldn’t be angry with my players. I have to charge their batteries because we need their enthusiasm, their new energy in the next game on Tuesday.”

‘Every player loses many, many games’

In the immediate aftermath of their 6-1 drubbing, the Irish players who faced the media spoke of their embarrassment. The scars are deep and painful, but as manager, Trapattoni is intent on boxing off the bad memories, drawing a line under a night to be forgotten and moving on to the next challenge.

The less said about last night, the better for everyone, it seems.

“Yesterday we go back to the hotel, last night. After the match I spoke immediately with the players before the dinner. They were obviously all deflated but I told them that when you lose conceding one goal or two goals or three goals, it’s the same. It’s three points gone. It’s changing only psychologically the situation.

“I reminded them when they play in their league, they play every two days, every three days. Every player loses many, many games. They have to start again in the next game with the same enthusiasm.”

There are plenty who would lose no sleep if last night’s match was Trapattoni’s final one in charge of the Republic of Ireland. Asked what it would take for him to throw his hat at the task and walk away, he was defiant.

“When there is no positive. When I ask the team to do some situation and the team doesn’t make this situation.”

Where others see only negatives — a miracle escape in Kazakhstan and a humiliation against Germany — Trapattoni still finds these positives. His critics see a shambolic near miss in Astana; he sees three points, and one win from two games in Group C.

“We have [played] two times 90 minutes. We have a victory in the group. We have to think positively about this.

I look about only after the Euros. We start with Kazakhstan, and with Oman also in the friendly — two games, six points.

“We keep again the confidence and change the players. We change the players, they play well. We continue this evolution because we have this positive reaction.”

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  • An incredible amount of shite talk in one set of quotes.

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    • I agree. And a perfect Face’Paalm to go with it.

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    • Why are we paying this fool hundreds of thousands a year when he can’t even speak english.

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    • John 13/10/12 #

      Oh why can’t he just F*** Off back to Italy and leave us in peace. Sick to death of this clowns ridiculous quotes and words of shi*e. My 3 yr old son talks more sense, better English and knows more about football than this idiot! he has taken us all for a ride and made millions in the process. It’s time to cut our losses before we become even more of a laughing stock than we already are. Let the fool manage some 7th division Azerbaijan team, its beyond embarrassing now!

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    • Trappattoni has some nerve and no shame. Incredible he is is still in the job. After witnessing Ireland play for the last 25 years , I have never ever seen such a bad performance. Il be voting with my wallet for the next home game. Unfortunately Delaney is a crook and will plod along. No leadership. Biggest problem for my country, no leadership, no leaders. We had the not-perfect Roy Keane but he was cast aside because he exposed truths. Roll on more mediocracy.

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    • @Lauren

      How many languages do you speak?

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    • @Petr – how many languages she speaks isn’t relevant at all. She hasn’t been the manager of an English speaking football team for a number of years. Trap should have a grasp of the language at this stage. It’s ridiculous he hasn’t considering how much he earns.

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    • just one question , has delaney left the country ?

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    • JayK 14/10/12 #

      You all realise that Germany is the second best team in the world, yeah? Seems we expect him to win World Cup, Euros, Champions League, English, Spanish and Italian premier leagues, Mastermind, and the Euromillions all in one go.

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    • Our aim is not Germany but Swedan & Austria!?
      Shame on him. Our aim should be on every opponent that we meet. Points are points, etc..
      We lost 6-1!
      He needs to be sacked, not because he’s old and grumpy (well yeah actually) but he’s actually a liability to Irish Football for some time now!
      Trap, slop out Now!

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  • jarpar 14/10/12 #

    Here is the reality. Few if any in international football get beaten 6-1 at home any more. Not even the Faroes! Crappatoni has taken us from being an honest team, with some decent individuals to the basement of world football. We used to punch above our weight, because of among many things, a belief that “you’ll never beat the Irish”. Nowadays riddled with self- doubt, we are to believe that we are inferior to our opponents and second place is the best we can achieve. I have never known any Irish team to play with such fear of their opponents. Ok we have always known we are not Brazil but never did we believe we were Andorra!!!

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  • Is there anything to be said for another mass?

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  • Denis O’Brien ya may stop supporting the FAI if they do not take action. As a fan, grateful for your assistance. A skilled Association Director could have used it wisely but we have Delaney. Good night in Residence ripping the hole out of the night last night John?

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  • We are no world beaters and never will be, last night was embarrassing though no matter how the manager tries to paint it. No team loses 6-1 at home, not even the minnows of football lose by that score any more or oops maybe we are one of those minnows now. Trappatoni is talking utter crap, its time to cut the rubbish he is spouting now and send him on his way. It can only get worse if thats possible with him still in place.

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  • What is he on about now??

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  • Your aim is off chief.

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  • What’s the Italian for ‘Taxi’? Someone get him his coat

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  • was that his teamtalk before the Germans?”sure these are superior lads lets concentrate on the rest” terrible excuse

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  • Ya gotta love the FAI even more today, holding a press conference during their league decider. Perhaps Delaney arranged it during last nights celebrations

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  • to be honest I think sacking him is worth loosing the money. the fai will loose a lot more with dwindling crowds. especially when ppl are finding it hard enough to go with the economy being so bad. he is passed it. we can’t lie with that. he was once a great manager but he’s lost it. it happens. look at dagleish Keegan. Jesus even Alf Ramsey was shit after he left the English post in 1973, and he won a world cup!

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  • I was on the fence up until last night.
    Now I feel sorry for him. He’s beginning to sound like a desperate and arrogant old man.

    Do the right thing Trap.
    For your own and Ireland’s dignity.

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  • The problem is not that we think we should be beating Germany, it’s that Trap hasn’t put out our best team. He doesn’t know the players and hasn’t done his job correctly. 1.4mill a year and he won’t go to watch potential players? O’Dea had no business even being in the squad, and that’s just one example

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    • That’s the problem, he’s too stubborn to admit he made a mistake and bring in players who are doing well in the EPL. I love Toronto but Athlone Town could beat their football team, so why O’Dea was on I’ll never know. After the Euros, when we were a long way the worst team, we should’ve changed manager and started the task of rebuilding during this WC qualifying. I’m sure San Marino were disappointed they were in Wembley rather than Lansdowne, they may well have fancied their chances. I’m sure The Faroes, who are no pushovers, will think they can get at least a point.

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  • Yes he needs to go – but that will not bring instant results nor resolve the current issues with Irish International football. It like many of the other major issues we face as a Nation, such as the state of government and public debt – there is a reality that we must accept – just like we have a limited amount of money that we have to spend on public services, we have a limited squad in terms of skill & ability compared to the likes of Germany and Spain. The problem is the same in both cases, we must first honesty accept where we are and understand the consequences of that, only then can we establish realistic short and long term goals.
    After our last performance in Poland, I for one am not keen to send out another Irish team to be the whipping boys of the World Cup – lets rather take stock and set some realistic expectations based on the pool of players that are available now and develop a plan to build for the future (which needs to address football down to schoolboy levels)
    I am not saying that Ireland can never again be a force in International football, I think if we make the right decisions now our day will come again – the focus should be on building for the future and not on trying to qualify for a competition where we will not perform.
    To that end, yes remove Trap and his advisors – but do not replace him with more of the same with unrealistic expectations. In my humble opinion, what we need in the short term is a manager with a different remit, focused more on player development than results and one who is very closely linked to youth development within the Irish and English leagues. On the former, I think this is where the real focus needs to be (not from the National Manager, but from the FAI).
    2 Million bucks would have gone a long way in helping talented youngsters, get the attention & development required at the school and youth footballing levels, but unfortunately that money is now gone, spent on unrealistic dreams. Lets not continue this trend.

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  • Load of rubbish!!

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  • dave 13/10/12 #

    Your due your pension trap go get it sit back and relax somewhere football is no longer your thing get out before it gets worse.

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  • If trap goes then Delaney must go too as he was the clown that gave another clown a new contract

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  • Trapp is phoning in, in regard to this position. And has been from day one, leaving it to the likes of Tardelli, or his trusty DVDs.

    Unforgiveable, given his very generous wage-which also explains why a manager of his calibre took the gig in the first place.

    Make no mistake, he’s here for the easy money, can’t even be arsed learning English!

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  • To be fair, we always knew playing for second place would always be the case, but shucks Trap, might be an idea to play your best team, ie the players that are playing regularly for the best teams. Meaning Clarke, Wilson and Long should all start.

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  • Sorry to say but as a very loyal Ireland supporter since the late 1960s the best thing to happen to Ireland and the FAI is for the Faroe Islands to win on Tuesday. Bring back Mick McCarthy all is forgiven!

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    • Excellent comment. I for one am not going to another match until that incompetent old embarrassing fool either quits, gets sacked or crokes it. He is the worst manager in history. Bring back Mick.

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  • Agree with the comments above regarding the obvious lack of belief, playing with fear etc. and I’ll not rehearse the arguments regarding his so called tactics and selection choices. Whatever about his past achievements the man has clearly lost it. I am seated close to the dugouts and could see Tardelli come out to remonstrate with him at 0-3. All he could do was throw his arms in the air as if to say he hadn’t a clue what to do. Tardelli walked back to the bench shaking his head. No plan B – No plan A either it seems. The Germans were excellent but should not have thumped us 1-6 unless they are poorly managed, lacking in belief and unsure off (or don’t believe in) the tactics they are being asked to employ. In Europe only Luxembourg, Andorra, Moldova, Liechtenstein, Wales & San Marino have been beaten by 5 or more goals. Apart from Wales the rest are recognised minnows and often ship so many goals. Up until now we didn’t regardless of the strength of the side we put out because we played with heart and everyone knew their job and did it. We have managed to either beat, draw or loose narrowly to opposition just as strong in the past. So what has changed – all of the things mentioned above, i.e. lack of belief among players, players unsure of the tactics employed, playing with fear and a questionable selection policy. All of this points to one thing INEPT MANAGEMENT. The Faroes only lost 3-0 to Germany in Hanover and Sweden had to comeback from a goal down to narrowly beat them 1-2. They will definitely fancy their chances against us. There’s no way I want that to happen I love my country too much. It hurts to much when we loose. (It has taken me until now to read anything to do with Friday night’s debacle.) But I can’t escape the thought that if we did loose or scrape a draw in Torshavn that it might be enough to make Trappattoni leave. If only he’d do the decent thing before then.

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  • I hear that they are now organising a supporters boycott of all international matches at the Aviva until both Trap & Delaney are gone.

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  • It’s a pity he’s such a mean old fart that he doesn’t do the decent thing and resign he knows he is going to get a big pay off and that’s why he is hanging on! We might not be a footballing power but we were never this bad!

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  • It fascinates me to think that the Irish think they have some legacy in the world of soccer. The truth is, we don’t, we have legacies in hurling and football, and Irish dancing, but soccer is not one of our strong points.

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    • David 13/10/12 #

      Agree completely. A strange element, almost English media type, in Irish soccer now, which is unrealistic. Given our population size, other sports and domestic league, we’re in the same class as Wales, Luxembourg, Belgium, Finland etc. and we have out preformed these countries over the years. Trap has been weak in developing the squad and maybe it’s his time to go but people have to be realistic. Players from Toronto, WBA, Wolves etc can only do so much. To be honest I’m not sure if a combined team from Ireland, N. Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England would have beaten that German team. Different class, realistically.

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    • #David What rubbish are you talking about a team from England, Scotland, Wales & Ireland are you talking about? Why not a joint team of Ireland, France, Belgium and Papua New Guinea? How anglicised are you?

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    • @ David.. You comrpletely miss the point buddy and just to confirm that you’re a bit off the mark, i would only love us to be on the same level as Belgium at the moment!!!

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    • David 13/10/12 #

      Sorry Killian I’ll say it simpler for you. My point was that I’m not sure a selection from those countries, which have players from the same professional league(s) could find a combined team to beat that German team last night.

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    • David 13/10/12 #

      …and by the way Killian, not everything or everyone has to be so politically sensitive. The reality is the majority of our squad is taken from the English leagues.

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    • Sham 13/10/12 #

      Killian you’re like a giant clitoris, stop being so sensitive man it must be exhausting

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    • David 13/10/12 #

      @Nigel. So would I. I suppose I mentioned Belgium because they have the same hot/cold record as we do (I acknowledge they have a better WC record) but they saw better days in the 80′s and faded in the 2000’s, until recently. My initial point was on population, leagues and expectation, and Belgium has a pop. almost 3 times ours. But I take your point, and agree, they have a stronger squad now.

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    • Thanks #David. No need to say it simpler. It would just come across clearer if you weren’t talking through your arse.

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    • Great point

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  • There was once a reason why we used to sing, you’ll never beat the Irish,

    Ain’t singing that now are we, I could go on about tactics, selection, motivation but I won’t, I ain’t a manager, as a fan on the other hand, let me say this, it’s atrocious football,
    These days we are beat before we step on a pitch, dark days lie ahead with traps stewardship

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    • Hit the nail on the head Chris! Nothing only negativity from the manager.. No trust or respect for the younger players in particular.. He ia demoralising them rather than motivating them! James mcleans tweet after the kazak game and gibsons walk away after watching glen whelan and greene get on ahead of him for all the euros , were sure signs that he had gone too far

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  • The FAI need to totally revamp our domestic league, the airtricity league has a image problem it cant seem to shake, too many teams centered around Dublin and not enough teams scattered over the country.

    We should and could produce more Irish players playing in the premier league.
    We need to change things drastically, maybe mimic the GAA and have the best players from each county represent their county in a amateur 26/32 random champions league like style tournament, build a following and move from there. Leading to possibly semi professional / professional three division tier league.

    Place 3/4 youth academies around the country i.e. dublin, galway and cork / limerick. Better quality pitches for young ppl, smaller goals with a emphasis on passing similar to Spain. Look at the effort Spain made after the 2002 world cup, similarly Belgium look at the efforts they put in.
    It can be done. maybe this is a bad example but look at Munster rugby, 12 or so years ago barely a hundred would attend matches, yet look at the following they have now, how professional they are and thomand park is a class stadium.
    I realise Trap’s tactics and choices are delusional but we have got to produce more home grown players, without the granny rule would we have gone so far in the 80s and 90′s

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    • While I agree with most of your point, their is a junior county competition called the Oscar Traynor… Takes the best squad from the respective junior leagues to compete against each other.. Junior football is ruined because LoI teams are paying the best players to move from junior football to play with them… I have thought in depth how to find a solution but its hard… Need to remove the top committee.. Create coaching seminars around the country to aide local coaches how to develop players… Players are moving to other sports because they are more attractive because if your not a world beater who might be going to England to play there’s no desire to play.. The LoI needs to be revamped…I use to follow it religiously but lost interest when teams dropped like flies because they weren’t been governed by a properly functioning association.. I remember the joy of following Kilkenny City.. There was 1000 people at home games years ago.. Unfortunately those days coming back will only be a dream

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  • I remember being at landsdowne for the holland game 11 years ago the playoff Henry handball a few years ago. Amazing heart from the players and support from the Irish. The Germany , Spain , Italy , Croatia results won’t vanish from my memory were poor and getting worse

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  • Re root and branch reorganisation of Irish football! Some very valid points made by e.g. @ Celt War, @Michael and Cian Walsh but I would disagree on one issue, or at least would like to offer an alternative, to the notion that our focus should be on the Premiership. I think that is our greatest mistake – our mindset, focus and guiding principles have been on England and the Premiership for over 50 years. Yet, it is clear that It is to countries in mainland Europe like Germany, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Holland we should look for a model and philosophy of football that will revolutionise the game in Ireland. Everyone knows that mainland players, even from so called lesser footballing countries are technically superior to ours, and indeed British players. Look at the premiership and it is clear to see that in the most successful teams mainland players or players from S. America dominate.
    I refuse to believe that there is some genetic difference between mainland players and ours or that there is something in the water, the air or the food that makes the difference. No, it is the coaching and the underpinning philosophy that is markedly different. So what we need to do is to stop following the British model and move to a ‘European’ one. Bring coaches over from the major mainland countries to teach our coaches and players. At the same time second other coaches from Ireland to the best teams in Europe. Let them come back and coach our children. Encourage players with potential to play/take apprenticeships with teams in Spain, Germany, Holland, Italy and so on rather than Britain. There will be so many additional benefits to be gained not least learning other languages. Perhaps, LOI or junior teams here could set up partnerships with such teams. all this would facilitate our best youngsters to go over and be coached by the best in Europe. The answer is in modern, proactive coaching and football philosophy starting at the youngest level. The ‘must win at any cost’ mindset has to be removed from youth football as it is on the mainland. In ten to fifteen years we would start to see a marked increase in the standard and technical ability of our players at all levels and that could only be positive for our national team.

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  • he wont get the sack.why?.because it will cost more to get rid of him.i cant see the team getting points against sweden.even faroe islands will cause us a problem.

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  • Cha ching! At least one pension fund is in the black.

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  • Trapattoni has to go and Delaney along with him. Sadly, neither of these things will happen as the FAI stumble from one disaster to another. I watched about 20 minutes of the match and just couldn’t watch any more. it was so sad.

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    • God, it’s so boring people jumping on the slag the FAI bandwagon. Trappatoni’s CV is top class. He was a reasonable appointment. He did ok over two campaigns. But his day is done. Hard to point to anything unreasonable in all of that to attribute to the FaI. It’s the same lazy crap you read on here slagging off the Government. Populist crap.

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  • Trap hasn’t a clue, will someone please tell him that our aim is brazil .

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  • I don’t really watch soccer, except when Ireland is playing, always proud of our boys, even up against international big boys they’ve always fought their best. So disappointed on Friday to see nothing but a group of individuals on the pitch instead of a team :-( There was no drive, no fire, no belief, just going through the motions, heartbreaking stuff. There was no motivation, seemed to be no excitement to be getting a chance to take on one of the best teams there is. Its not about beating Germany, I would not have minded losing if we had stuck it to them, played together as a team and gave it heart and soul in the attempt! We’ve done this before, what’s gone wrong now? Trapps list of excuses sound weaker and weaker, in what sport do you ever discount an opponent as unbeatable, so we shouldn’t bother our arses trying whenever we’re up against bigger and better teams. Sad, sorry philosophy to be managing a team with, in any sport.

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  • after the Kazakhstan game “I’ll go when the supporters don’t want me anymore”. after the Germany game ” I’ll go when I lose the dressing room and the players don’t want me anymore”. Denis O’Brien is going to have to stick his hands into his corrupt deep pockets one last time and pay him off, cos he’s not going to walk.

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  • The standard of the team is not that good. It is that simple. He is too used to training the great teams, and he was brilliant at it but horses for courses and lets now get a manager who might be more used to dealing with lower standard players and getting the best out of them.

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  • Scorchio!

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  • peter 13/10/12 #

    Senile old fool. Young players with a young manager with something to prove is the way to go. We always competed against every team that came to even before big Jack. That old bastard had us beaten before we even went on the pitch.

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  • Trap says “I look about only after the Euros. We start with Kazakhstan, and with Oman also in the friendly — two games, six points.” As I understand it you dont get points for winning friendly games, certainly not friendlies against Oman.

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  • Oh DO shut your Trap!

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  • He didn’t want to finish his career as a failure …ha ha ha . U are waste of space !

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  • He should perhaps go, but in fairness, whoever replaces him won’t make Ireland great team anyway.
    Ireland is mediocre in football at best and never been a top team.
    6:1 is maybe bit humiliating, but then no strategy and coaching can make them beat Germany, get real, unless maybe complete fluke, or maybe 5 red cards for Germans in first half lol, let’s face it…
    I think for some reason most Irish follow Premier Ship daily?
    And it’s only silly game, some people commenting like their life depended on it, chill out!

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    • It’s not about making Ireland a great team… It’s about being competitive.. Today people are talking about San Marino shouldn’t compete because they are the whipping boys of Europe… They play with a believe that they can compete.. We are playing with a defeatist attitude brought on by a clown of a manager… We have players that compete in the Premiership, they aren’t tactically inept, otherwise they wouldn’t be there… Last night we were inept, gifted the Germans 5 goals.. I know people will disagree but reality is, if the team was positive, had the desire of old, giving each other a dig out, it would have been more acceptable.. I was at the match, the German goals were world class but bar Kross’ volley they might have been prevented.. McGeady was like a headless chicken didn’t know where he was playing…. O’Dea was out of his depth, a junior player would of stopped Klose goal and not given away the penalty.. I’m sick of people saying we don’t have a good squad.. We are capable of finishing second in this group… If we get the regulars back bring in Clark, Wilson, McClean.. Move O’Shea to a holding midfielder we can finish second

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    • Well said Cian!! Trap is telling them all in-directly,ALL THE TIME, that they are not good enough.
      The way he has them bypassing the midfielders,doesnt allow the full backs to push on.. It all says to the players that he doesnt trust them or rate them good enough to try play properly! Bow he’s telling them through the media that they are nowhere near good enough to beat germany.. Enough of his ridiculous negativity,playing players out of position and not picking the form players.. He has to go!!! End of!!!!!!!

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  • what in the name of god is he rambling on about now? he has to go simples! Martin Delaney needs to get up of his hole and do something asap! I dont want this team and management going to Rio 2014, it will be worse than the euros if trap is still here.

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  • Ireland are sh1te. The Entire team are a waste of space.

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  • One nightmare match against international opposition?

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  • Mouse Trap!

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