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Contract dispute threatens sold-out American football game in Dublin

The Irish American Football Association is threatening High Court action against the US Naval Academy as they claim conditions under which Emerald Isle Classic event is to be held have not been met.

Members of the Navy team heading onto the field before a game last November. Their college football season opener is to take place in Dublin - but potential legal proceedings could put that under threat.
Members of the Navy team heading onto the field before a game last November. Their college football season opener is to take place in Dublin - but potential legal proceedings could put that under threat.
Image: Ap Photo/Ann Heisenfelt/File)

THEJOURNAL.IE HAS LEARNED the Emerald Isle Classic, estimated to be worth €100 million to the Irish economy, is under threat of cancellation.

The high-profile event, sponsored by The Gathering, is the first game of the American College Football season and will see the US Naval Academy take on Notre Dame, known as ‘The Fighting Irish’, in Dublin’s Aviva Stadium on 1 September.

The game is sold out and is expected to have a massive TV audience as it is to be screened on CBS in the United States and worldwide via ESPN America.

However, a source has informed TheJournal.ie that the Irish American Football Association (IAFA) is threatening to initiate High Court proceedings this month to prevent the game taking place if the US Naval Academy (Navy) does not agree to honour the terms of a sanctioning agreement entered into with the IAFA and signed in March 2011.

As the National Governing Body (NGB) the IAFA claims it is responsible for allowing the event take place in Ireland.

Following six months of negotiations, Navy signed a sanctioning agreement with the IAFA in Dublin in March 2011. This document, seen by TheJournal.ie, was signed by Navy’s Associate Athletic Director, Robb Dunn.

The conditions attached to the sanctioning agreement were designed to facilitate the grassroots development of American football in Ireland, the most prominent of which was to be a ‘flag-football’ programme for 1,500 Irish schoolchildren.

To initiate this programme, Navy was due to open an Irish bank account from which Navy and an independent panel, not the IAFA, would distribute funds to support this programme. However, the IAFA claims that no progress has been made on this issue.

The IAFA also claims that Navy has failed to provide them with evidence the event is fully insured or with mandatory documentation relating to various health and safety matters surrounding the game, as per the sanctioning agreement.

When contacted by TheJournal.ie to respond to these claims, Navy failed to reply directly, instead issuing a brief statement through their PR company, Fleishman Hillard.

It reads:

It has been determined by the International Federation of American Football (IFAF) that the Irish American Football Association has no jurisdiction over this particular game and therefore no sanction is required.

TheJournal.ie contacted IFAF to confirm this was the case as Article 4B of their 2009 statutes, under which the contested sanctioning agreement was signed, states: “[The Irish American Football Association] shall be recognized [sic] by IFAF as the only national governing body for all amateur American football in such a country.”

Furthermore, in July this year, the President of IFAF wrote to the IAFA to confirm that IFAF’s “international sanctioning rules cannot be applied” in this case and that the Emerald Isle Classic comes under the remit of the IAFA.

However, despite repeated attempts to contact the French-based organisation, IFAF have not clarified their position to TheJournal.ie.

The news of a possible cancellation of the game will be of concern to the estimated 33,000 fans travelling from the US for the game, as well as local supporters. Indeed, such is the demand for tickets, sets for four are selling for over €1,000 online.

TheJournal.ie understands the IAFA has attempted to initiate mediation with Navy but have been “frustrated” by the intervention of third parties who had little or no involvement before Navy signed the sanctioning agreement.

In a statement issued to TheJournal.ie an IAFA spokesperson said:

The Irish American Football Association is the officially recognised National Governing Body for the sport in Ireland. Its authority to sanction all American football activities in Ireland is very clear.

It should be noted that Navy did not avail of the option to appeal any aspect of the sanction conditions attached to the Emerald Isle Classic. Navy signed the sanction documentation on 16 March 2011 after having been in possession of the proposed conditions since 21 October 2010. Until recently, they have not communicated any difficulties in respect of these matters to the IAFA.

A resolution looks unlikely any time soon with a source close to the dispute telling TheJournal.ie: “Navy’s apparent failure to respect the IAFA’s status as the National Governing Body could have a major impact on other sports in Ireland due to the undesirable precedent it would set for
major events staged in this country.”

However, the IAFA has indicated a willingness to return to mediation with Navy in an effort to resolve this matter.

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Comments (73 Comments)

  • If I was the IAFA I wouldn’t go messing with those Navy ;lads, they’ve got nuclear submarines ffs !

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  • The IAFA have no legal power. They’re self appointed – they can’t stop the game. The Navy probably realised this and thought “who the fook are these guys? We don’t even need to deal with them!”

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  • The IAFA’s conditions are frivolous from the onset. To force Navy to open an Irish bank account- have you no decency? :-)

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  • Sounds like a bunch of self important opportunist dumbasses screwing up a great event for Ireland. This is going to be a massive event for the country and for these idiots to screw it up would be tragic. This agreement should be between the Navy, Notre Dame, and Aviva Stadium owners. No one else. They all want there little greedy fingers in the pie. If these quasi-federations screw this up they should all be hunted down and forced to pay the loss of revenue out of pocket.

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  • I can imagine the disdain in Annapolis when the fax arrived in from this People’s Front of Judea outfit threatening to pull the plug on Navy-ND.

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  • Of course, let’s make this threatening announcement about 3 weeks before the game. Yeah good luck cancelling it IAFA. Everyone is coming and it will take place without you.

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    • Well Gary I know you are talking utter rubbish now as the games at the Ambassador’s residence aren’t “for ex-pats”. In fact you would get an invite easier if you weren’t an ex-pay. I’ve been at the football and baseball games there for the past few years. Has nothing to do with promoting Irish football leagues.

      In any case, the IAFA are a bunch of nobody’s trying to flex muscle they don’t have. Seeing as you’re such an avid supporter why don’t you have a word with them and tell them to stop embarrassing themselves and the country and drop this absurd case. There’s other ways of accomplishing what they want.

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    • Sorry Patrick, this should have went in further down in another conversation. Modern technology sucks.

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    • “get an invite easier if you weren’t an ex pat” that’s funny coz virtually nobody from the league got invited except for a few players from one club so that is a garbage statement.. And like I said (which you don’t seem to be understanding here) my only gripe is a contract not being honored that is all.. Nothing about flexing muscle or authority or any of that just plain ‘ol keeping a deal for the good of the game here.. So what other ways do you suggest all knowledgable one??

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    • Garbage statement… I said those games weren’t for the promotion of American football in Ireland. That’s probably why you didn’t get an invite. They don’t particularly care about your league. Most of the ex-pats I know that have been here for years, that like American sports, and actually deserve invites, never get invited. Keep studying for your PhD.

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    • Nice of you to take interest in my job, i could not care less about yours though.. It’s a shame ex pats don’t care as if they did the league may benefit but sure what would I know I’m just a paddy playing a minority sport right? I hope both sides get what was agreed on and a great event takes place

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  • I don’t care! I’ve my tickets and I wanna see a Fighting Irish vs. Navy game. Is this a case of if I stared an Irish Baseball Authority I could sanction Baseball in Ireland?

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  • Cowboys Ted, cowboys!!

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  • Why does this sound and feel like a shakedown? I mean I have *never* heard of IAFA and thought I had a fairly good handle on gridiron in IE!

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  • The IAFA have no authority over anything – Navy have already realised that and made it clear in their statement:

    “It has been determined by the International Federation of American Football (IFAF) that the Irish American Football Association has no jurisdiction over this particular game and therefore no sanction is required.”

    The game will go ahead. The only agreement made between the 2 parties was that Navy would help out with some donations & domestic promotion for the good of the sport. Navy have obviously decided not to proceed with that end of the agreement, but that dispute will be decided depending on the contract terms. But the game won’t be affected by this at all; the IAFA aren’t a sanctioning body – they have no legal recourse.

    And to be clear; I have friends who play in the IAFL (the league), I have attended many games & I wish it was more popular over here & wish them the best of luck – I’m merely making a statement about the level of authority the IAFA actually has to stop this game – which is none. And their lawyers have obviously already made them aware of that too.

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    • I agree with everything you’ve said there Sean and fair play.. My only gripe is that they don’t seem to be keeping their end of the deal (from what I’m making out from this) that is all and it’s a pity coz i’d love to see the IAFL get a bit of exposure.. Hopefully it’s sorted

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    • I agree, Gary. If Navy signed a contract that they didn’t fulfill, the courts will decide that outcome. But it simply won’t affect the game going ahead; that’s my only point here – that the IAFA isn’t a sanctioning body. They’re just a recognised association of teams. Yes, they can have contracts and agreements with other parties – but they can’t dictate who can and can’t play matches here.

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  • damn dude….cut to the chase with this article. Have to read down to paragraph 7 before finding out what the dispute is over.

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  • IAFA are just damaging themselves with this.. This event would have brought the sport into a new light in Ireland, instead the IAFA have decided to have a strop and possibly disappointing 55000 fans while rubbishing any respect anyone has for them in the process..

    Push comes to shove, fine the game is no longer sanctioned by the IAFA.. what are they going to do to stop it.. I seem to remember quite recently that British Boxing refused to sanction a fight but i went ahead anyway sanctioned from Lux, they have more pull in their respective country than the IAFA have here (there)..

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  • Who cares ??? Playball!! It’s a great show !! More red tape ….

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  • Sean – the IAFA have asserted for years that they are the sanctioning body for all American football games played in Ireland. Even if we wanted to organise a friendly between two Irish teams, the IAFA would need to give the go-ahead. I don’t know for certain how strong that is when it comes to such a massive game involving various organisations (like, can IFAF veto IAFA’s decision?), but I’m pretty sure the ISC and other such powers that be have given the IAFA *some* power in that regard. If it wasn’t such a high-profile event, I’d say that IAFA DO have the authority here… but Navy’s lawyers could probably pull that apart easily enough.

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    • I guess it needs to be clarified exactly how much “power” the IAFA have. For example – can I recruit some players, make up 5 or 6 teams and start my own league tomorrow? I’d say I could if I wanted to – and who can legally stop me? We could turn up and play in a match in a public park every week if we wished without recourse. So if the IAFA don’t have the power to stop my small amateur games, and also can’t stop this high level pro game, then what exactly can they dictate? I’d say they just haver the power to govern the IAFL – which is their own league. But what if I’m not part of that league, or don’t subscribe to their rules or ethos?

      If you ask me, the sport hasn’t been the same in this country since Marcus Naylor retired. The sport lost it’s soul and MVP. Such a humble and affable guy. The league should host an appreciation night.

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  • Ahh Go on. Put on a Katie Taylor bout instead!

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  • There is only one issue at hand. Before getting to it, why hasn’t anyone picked up on these strange details? Why would they want Navy to open an Irish account? Navy is not in the business of managing ongoing funds for Irish school programs. IAFA, or their independent council, should have such an account to which Navy could simply transfer funds as a contribution. But I digress…

    Sean’s point of whether IAFA has actual jurisdiction to sanction is the only issue. No doubt they represented as much for Navy to enter any negotiation with them in the first place, and the only reason to represent such authority is to claim the power over something the other party wants in order to obtain something in return. IF that claim is true, Navy will uphold their end. Navy’s first core value is honor. IF that claim is false, as Navy obviously believes it is, there is NO honor in following a contract entered under false pretenses. Since no one here, nor the author, knows all the details involved, we only speculate from a narrow perspective. For me, this makes the IAFA seem like one desperately grasping for relevance. I have little respect for a group threatening the enjoyment and monetary investments of so many innocent fans as a negotiating tactic for their legal proceedings. If you disagree or fail to understand the above reasoning, answer this: If you signed a paper to buy a car, then just prior to handing over the check learned the other person did not own the car, should you (let alone be legally required to) still give them the check? If you answered yes, I have several cars to sell you. I’ll give you a great deal.

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  • Well there some idiots on this page… I never comment on these things but feel I must as this is a matter very close to my heart. As one of the original founding teams over 17 years of the IAFL here in Ireland I am sad that this has happened but none the less the IAFA are right in their course of action. The IAFA is the NGB for American Football in Ireland as recognised by IFAF and the ISC. As such Navy agreed and signed a contract to help the IAFA develop American Football in Ireland at school and grass roots level. The contract is not to simple extort cash from Navy for some unjustified purpose. The IAFA has worked hard to grow this sports to over 2,500 registers members and this breach of contract is completely unacceptable.

    Navy’s Associate Athletic Director, Robb Dunn signed the sanction agreement and the contract knowing full well what they need to do and bring to the table and have not delivered on any of it.

    In summary will the game be cancelled? No and this is media hype created by the journal.ie as it was never the intention, just to have Navy honour their agreement.. After all is Honour not what the Navy is all about. What good would possible come from cancelling such an event?? Think before you speak folks. Typical journalistic bullshit!

    Shame on you Robb Dunn! Disgrace to your team and yourself.

    Roll on Sept 1st C’MON NOTRE DAME :)

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    • Well said. I hope they live up to their end of the agreement.

      Can you clarify though – am I correct in the assertion that the IAFA do not have the power to decide who can & can’t host or play matches over here? i.e. they do not hold any legal powers to stop this match.

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    • Can someone clarify for me: what is the the difference between IAFA and the IAFL, in Ireland? And who is superseding who in those two organisations, in Ireland?

      Secondly: was Notre Dame too good, with an Irish background, to be approached first?

      Did they turn it down?

      What pillock ever thought Navy would open an Irish bank?

      It’s squirm inducing to listen to this drivel.

      Makes my a$$ TIGHT.

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  • I signed up to be notified about when the tickets went on sale but heard nothing at all. Were they ever for sale in Ireland , didn’t hear a single word about the release date whenever it was! Wanted to get 4 tickets as my son and I watch the college football all the time on the telly.

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    • It’s very likely you’ll be able to get tickets at the stadium the day of the game.

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    • Canice, there are still tickets for Pairc Tailteann on Friday 31st August in Navan, Co Meath, where 4 teams are playing. And those tickets are defo on Ticketmaster. There are two games that day. Check it out.

      I’m surprised nobody has mentioned this already to you.

      I’ll PM you and you can give me your name and number and I’ll submit 2 Euro on your behalf, for tickets, to the aforementioned GIFT games on that Friday! The draw is the 26th Aug.

      If this suits you.

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  • The Irish American Football Association (IAFA) is the National Governing Body for American Football in Ireland. The IAFA is recognised by the Irish Sports Council and the Federation of Irish Sports. It is affiliated to the European Federation of American Football (EFAF) and the International Federation of American Football (IFAF).

    @Sean Herbert.

    As far as legal powers I am not sure on that!

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  • Toss? No, sorry, I couldn’t give one.

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  • Although I, like many others that actually PLAY in the Irish League would be devastated if this game didn’t go ahead I say fair play to the IAFA.. I don’t agree with many decisions they make but if there was an agreement made it should be honored.. There are 11 full regulation teams in this country and what better way to promote grass roots football in the country by giving the league a few quid to develop it in schools etc… I can assure you a couple of thousand is pocket change to the Navy Football Program considering the millions they spend per year.. That money would go along way promoting this sport

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    • Fair play to screwing up a multi-million euro opportunity for Ireland? You are a freakin economics genius. Your football program over positive PR and revenue for the country. Make sure you run for Minister of Finance next time around.

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    • @jackass you obviously haven’t a clue about the sport in this country so I’m not goin to waste much text on you.. As I said above I’ll be devastated if it’s cancelled but if an agreement was made last year it should be honored if the sport is to be developed globally

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    • You’re right there Gary. Don’t have a clue about it in this country because I grew up with it in the US and since I’ve been here over the past decade, I can see it rates about the same as jai alai in terms of popularity. So let’s put this whole event on hold until this bullsh1t federation gets done with their high court case. I’ll donate a €100 to the cause if all the 4 letter federations just piss off into the sunset an let everyone else get on with the game.

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    • So just because you haven’t heard of it, it’s not popular? Wow… The last 2 league finals have been aired on Setanta Sports and had about 1,000 spectators watching in Tallaght Stadium but I guess you wouldnt know about that, not sure Jai Jalai gets that kind of crowds.. There was also a game on July 4th at Rooneys residence for ex pats, not sure you’ve heard of that either? I’m disappointed that someone who has grown up with the sport would not like to see it developed in a country where it’s still behind gaa,hurling rugby etc.. But sure we will take your 100 euro anyway maybe it could buy some kid gear who is eager to play it

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    • It’s a bloody girls game for wannabe rugby players. Lose the helmets and padding and step out onto a rugby pitch and see how you fare.

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    • (Previous comment placed in proper context now)

      Well Gary I know you are talking utter rubbish now as the games at the Ambassador’s residence aren’t “for ex-pats”. In fact you would get an invite easier if you weren’t an ex-pay. I’ve been at the football and baseball games there for the past few years. Has nothing to do with promoting Irish football leagues.

      In any case, the IAFA are a bunch of nobody’s trying to flex muscle they don’t have. Seeing as you’re such an avid supporter why don’t you have a word with them and tell them to stop embarrassing themselves and the country and drop this absurd case. There’s other ways of accomplishing what they want.

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  • Crap. I can’t believe that’s sold out already. Was hoping to get a few tickets for that. Oh well, I guess there’ll be 2013.

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  • How the hell did 52,000 seats sell out over a year in advance for an American Football game?! I never even heard this was happening…

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    • @Paul apparently it sold out in 15 mins! We think there’s going to be a tail gate party on in Temple Bar before hand too. :)

      This reads to me like the IAFA worked with Navy to help develop the sport here some time ago, didn’t get as much as they wanted and have chosen this time to bring attention to it. Though a (potentially) valid gripe, by going about it this way, they come across bitter and vindictive.

      With all the press that will be covering this sport in the next while, they could have easily brought this up and ‘shamed’ Navy in to paying what they agreed, if indeed that is what they should have paid.

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  • @Mealaini Drake-

    Navy and Notre Dame have played each other in football since 1927. The ‘home’ team alternates each year. The home team is responsible for game and stadium arrangements.

    Navy plays their ‘home’ games in a relatively small 38k seat stadium, but when it is their year to host the Notre Dame game, it is often played in much larger venues. Navy home games with Notre Dame typically are played on New York, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and occasionally places like Orlando, Chicago, and this year, Dublin.

    That’s why Navy seems like the key organization in making these arrangements; because they are.

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  • Another example of Ireland trying to use bureaucracy to do the one thing it does really well i.e. create a closed shop environment, even in a time of recession. Let’s have a National Governing body for…….shoelaces.

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  • I hate that Notre Dame have a nasty looking, ugly little stereotype logo of a leprechaun with his fists up.

    I’m not bothered with American Handegg either because it looks like rugby for pansies, but each to their own.

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    • A man with a daisy as a profile pic calling American football a pansie sport.. The irony :)

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    • I think Daisy is female.

      But Jimmy Somerville’s brother making a gay joke… the irony! :-)

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    • Stereotype logo of a leprechaun? Yeah why couldn’t the just base their logo on a real leprechaun.

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    • Never made a gay joke and it’s Sommerville Sean ;) this game presents a massive opportunity to develop the game here and it may just pass by coz the Navy aren’t willing to give a few bob to schools.. Is it just me or is this not too much to ask of a sports program that generates multi millions in revenue and donations each year?

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    • Gary, Gary! Get with the programme here.

      It is NOT about Navy giving the green backs. Get a grip… and come back to those of us who know a thing or two, over the next week, and tell us what you know about this issue then. This will resurface, in the next 5 days, with the issue at hand.

      And then we will the picture clearly.

      Time will tell.

      I have tickets to this game. Have had for quite some time. There won’t need to be a presence from ANY Irish sports person at this. Or anybody connected to an Irish sport either. This is America v. America, renting our soil.

      If you are an American football fan, you will have your tickets already and have known about it since the end of last summer.

      End of.

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    • Mealaini congrats on having tickets, do you want an award? I have tickets like most of the players in the league as we were given presale access to ensure we’d be there.. And I am giving my opinion based on the facts in this article so how can I comment on details I don’t know about?

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    • The ugly logo is part of Notre Dame’s history and its role in bringing Irish to the front of American culture!

      The name ‘Fighting Irish’ was originally used as a bit of an insult a century ago. Over the decades the school has become the most successful team in one of the US’s biggest sports. Notre Dame is considered a national icon like the New York Yankees and the Dallas Cowboys.

      It’s turned the ‘Fighting Irish’ name and the stereotype of the drunken Irishman into a point of pride – and no one can deny the school’s success. (Also, it’s become one of the best schools academically, but whatever….)

      As for ‘rugby for pansies’ – I think rugby is a rough game, for sure. American football has faster running speeds and harder hitting. The pads and helmets mean the players can really launch into each other. Rugby, without those protections, is slower and has more of a grappling feature sometimes.

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  • Why not go ahead with the game and if Navy doesn’t do what’s expected, then those 11 teams, along with their Association, sue Navy in Irish and American Courts. good point mike, but if navy did sign that contract then fair play to the iafa for trying to stand up to a massive team and not get bullied around, understand theres alot more to this but thats da one point were i side with da iafl

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  • The IAFA is gonna shoot themselves in the ass. The negative publicity that will come may just put a dagger thru the heart of their 11 team league. They may have a point but, are they gonna make any friends by possibly puttin the cabosh on a game that may bring €100 million to the economy? IF the game gets cancelled 3 weeks from game day will IAFA publicly aplogize for the disaster? Just think, there may be 50,000 people sue IAFA and Navy because we all, plus the teams and networks will be put out because we didn’t get to see the game and there will be millions in reimbursements that will be needed. I will want my money back that was spent on my ticket and flights. Why not go ahead with the game and if Navy doesn’t do what’s expected, then those 11 teams, along with their Association, sue Navy in Irish and American Courts? The news is starting to spread thru the UK which is where I just found out about this, and soon the news will spread around the States, so get ready IAFA for a lot of negative pub! Millions has already been spent on this game and people are gonna get nervous, then angry!! I actually can’t see the Irish High Courts puttin a stop to the game but, they may have something to say after the game. But, until I see something in the news that tells me the game is on…I may just be a little nervous!

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  • I no that guy jackass ireland, he sucks monkey balls for a living in dublin zoo, nice guy

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  • We don’t need to divide our talents any further on this island. Play the exhibition game and leave it at that.

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  • Rugby for little girls

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